In this episode, Katie is talking with Bill Donaldson, Doris Saouma, and Michella Welstead about ORSC Coaching Circles, a community-led Worldwork initiative. ORSC Coaching Circles are 100% led and run by a community of change agents from around the world. They embrace the RSI Principles and welcome all ORSC practitioners to fill a role and ultimately evolve the larger world system we are part of. Throughout this conversation, they discuss:

• The inspiration behind ORSC coaching circles
• How they work
• Their high dream for the initiative
• The importance of Worldwork

Getting in touch: ORSC Coaching Circles are open to those who've completed training on ORSC tools and would like to come together with others to experience and practice the tools in a safe and supportive environment.  To be added to the monthly announcements or find out more information, please click here or email orsc.coachingcircle@gmail.com. 

Bill Donaldson is a husband to Amy, father to Katie and Greg, and grandfather to Nathaniel, living in Charleston, SC. Bill is passionate about making people’s lives better through his leadership in Business Transformation and Team Coaching. He is passionate about women's allyship with a goal to impact 100K women to retain or re-join the STEM workforce. Bill is an ICF ACC certified coach and a Gold Tier #IamRemarkable facilitator. 

Doris Saouma supports leaders and organizations in defining and living their legacy while building better workplaces, cultures, and countries. She works with leaders globally in various sectors, including private banks, central banks, consulting firms, hedge funds, sovereign funds, private equities, trading agencies, pharma companies, insurance companies, as well as governmental and non-governmental organizations. Her work experience ranges from supporting individual leaders in developing their leadership skills and upgrading their careers to accompanying teams in collaborating for higher impact.

Michella Welstead grew up in Australia and now calls the Netherlands home. She comes from a background in data management and data-driven transformation. Along the way, she’s seen firsthand how critical team dynamics are to organizational success. She now incorporates ORSC coaching tools in her work in agile transformations to help individuals, teams, and organizations unleash their creativity, embrace collaboration, and transition towards improved performance.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Judy van Zon and Katherine Starks about the ORSC™ certification program. Judy is currently Director of Certification at CRR Global, and Kathie is a recent alumnus of the program. The ORSC Certification program is a unique and comprehensive eight-month program with extensive practice and online study designed to produce the best ORSC practitioners in the world! Throughout this conversation, we discuss what makes the program so unique, the intentions and outcomes of the course, edge crossing, the practicalities of the course, the impact of world work, and much more.

For more information on the ORSC Certification Program, please click here.

Judy van Zon helps her clients better connect to their own inner wisdom and power. In her team coaching, Judy believes that working with the ORSC model is a very powerful way to build bridges in relationships. It goes far beyond familiar skills like empathy and active listening. It offers a whole new way of looking at people and how we live and work together. Her focus is on working with corporate leaders and teams. Training others in this allows her to spread this energy throughout the world. She also applies her skills to roles like facilitating and mentoring. For the last 25 years, she has lived and worked in six countries on three continents, the last 3.5 years in India and the region around. She is now back in the Netherlands and is CRR Global's current Director of Certification. Judy speaks Dutch, English, German, Spanish, and French. With a master’s in business administration, her professional career started in the commercial operations of an international consumer goods company. 

Katherine Starks has spent most of her career in financial services, the last 15 years in senior leadership positions. This experience laid the groundwork for a natural progression to the next stage: coaching and mentoring other professionals so that they too can find their path and passion in life. Kathie’s coaching journey began during her years in the corporate world, first becoming an ICF Certified Co-Active Coach and later embarking on her ORSC journey just as she pursued her final and most challenging role as CEO and Branch Manager of the Bank of New York Mellon in Frankfurt. At the beginning of 2022, Kathie left the corporate world so that she could dedicate all her time and energy into pursuing her dream of coaching successful teams and fulfilled leaders.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In the final episode of season 4, Katie talks with Kiki Kesseler about vulnerability in relationship. Across this conversation, we discuss:

• How does vulnerability show up in relationship? 
• Patterns in relationship
• Expressing what you need
• Owning “I don’t know” as a pathway into vulnerability
• Choosing to be vulnerable
• The impact of control and the value of playfulness

Kiki Kessler is a CRR Global faculty member for both courses and the certification programme. Kiki believes that the value of working with teams, individuals, and relationships lies in the balance between revealing to the clients what is trying to happen and educating them on how to self-manage similar issues in the future for a more positive and productive relationship. Kiki focuses on people development and brings 20+ years of experience in cultural diversity, coaching, training, and team management across various industries, with corporate roles in Sales & Marketing, Business Development, and Training. She specializes in team development, conflict resolution, leadership skills, and systemic coaching. She is known to create a trusted atmosphere of positive energy that encourages the client to align, communicate, learn, and implement changed behavior. With clear education and the use of practical tools, Kiki inspires a can-do spirit among leaders. Her strength lies in combining coaching and training skills to enable growth. Originally from The Netherlands, she speaks Dutch, English, and German. Her cross-cultural experience was established through living in Austria, the United States, Germany and the UAE over the past 18 years, working within culturally diverse environments, organizations and teams. After a four-month adventurous drive from Dubai back to the Netherlands, Kiki and her family are now based close to Utrecht, The Netherlands.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Mike Holton, COO and faculty member at CRR Global, about the importance of building belonging in our relationships. Across this conversation they discuss: 

• Belonging as a form of acceptance
• The individual work that we can only do together
• Making the unconscious conscious
• Learning how to bring more belonging to our relationship with ourselves

Mike Holton has a lifelong passion for working with and developing leaders across the globe. Alongside his roles at CRR Global, Mike has spent a career working to develop organizational capabilities within the Global 2000.  In the coaching field, he has worked as an agile, leadership, couples, team, and organizational coach.  Over the last few years, he has transitioned his focus to working with clients in the space of Trauma. The most important role Mike plays is being a husband and a father of four amazing children. This role has shaped him and continues to develop him as a person today.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

This is episode 3 in a 3-part series on team coaching with team coach and CRR Global faculty member Martin Klaver. In episode 3, Katie and Martin discuss how to support clients in integrating the learnings. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• How to weave integration throughout a team coaching engagement
• Trusting and harnessing the wisdom of the team
• Understanding that integration is the team’s responsibility
• Celebrating small wins
• Focusing on results as opposed to the process.

Martin Klaver is an experienced team coach and faculty member at CRR Global. He is enthusiastic about group dynamics and believes guiding systems in these dynamics and making patterns and potential aware is beautiful and rewarding work. Martin designs and supervises many Management Development processes where personal development (IQ and EQ), relationships with others (SQ) and relationships with systems (RSI) are fundamental. Fun, experimental and essence are themes that you can recognize in his methods.

Martin has a master’s degree in Business Administration and extensive work experience in HR and organizational development at various organizations. Based in the Netherlands, Martin facilitates with his team a diversity of organizations and leaders in their development. The purpose of his company is to bring more balance in the world. They focus to create an atmosphere of possibility in which the system can evolve into what is needed.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

This is episode 2 in a 3-part series on team coaching with team coach and CRR Global faculty member Martin Klaver. To listen to part 1, click here. In episode 2, Katie and Martin discuss how to develop conscious and intentional relationships with clients. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• Sharing team coaching, not as a product but as a process
• Meeting clients where they are, with their language.
• Understanding that as a team coach, you are a part of the process. 
• Co-coaching as an opportunity for modelling teamwork.

Martin Klaver is an experienced team coach and faculty member at CRR Global. He is enthusiastic about group dynamics and believes guiding systems in these dynamics and making patterns and potential aware is beautiful and rewarding work. Martin designs and supervises many Management Development processes where personal development (IQ and EQ), relationships with others (SQ) and relationships with systems (RSI) are fundamental. Fun, experimental and essence are themes that you can recognize in his methods.

Martin has a master’s degree in Business Administration and extensive work experience in HR and organizational development at various organizations. Based in the Netherlands, Martin facilitates with his team a diversity of organizations and leaders in their development. The purpose of his company is to bring more balance in the world. They focus to create an atmosphere of possibility in which the system can evolve into what is needed.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across the next three episodes, Katie talks with team coach and CRR faculty member Martin Klaver about the team coach approach. In episode 1, Katie and Martin discuss what it means to build a successful team coaching business. Across the conversation they discuss:

• Defining what success might look like for your business and aligning your energy around those goals
• Acting with integrity and being at choice
• Reframing team coaching as a process, not a product: it’s not something you sell; it’s a relationship you build
• The importance of continually applying the team coach approach to your own business

Martin Klaver is an experienced team coach and faculty member at CRR Global. He is enthusiastic about group dynamics and believes guiding systems in these dynamics and making patterns and potential aware is beautiful and rewarding work. Martin designs and supervises many Management Development processes where personal development (IQ and EQ), relationships with others (SQ) and relationships with systems (RSI) are fundamental. Fun, experimental and essence are themes that you can recognize in his methods.

Martin has a master’s degree in Business Administration and extensive work experience in HR and organizational development at various organizations. Based in the Netherlands, Martin facilitates with his team a diversity of organizations and leaders in their development. The purpose of his company is to bring more balance in the world. They focus to create an atmosphere of possibility in which the system can evolve into what is needed.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Floyd Carlson about bringing a Both/And mindset to our relationships. Across the conversation, they discuss:

• How can we help the systems navigate polarities when they show up
• Shifting from either/or thinking to a Both/And approach.
• The link between polarities and perpetual issues. 
• And how a Both/And mindset can help to create alignment.

Floyd Carlson is a Front of the Room Leader for CRR Global who focuses on leaders and teams and bringing the best out of individuals based on company and individual objectives. Floyd has more than 30 years of business and military experience which he combines with his coaching, training, and organizational development to help leaders achieve professional and personal goals in alignment with company needs.

Resources:

• Navigating Polarities: Using Both/And Thinking to Lead Transformation, by Brian Emerson  & Kelly Lewis
• Andiron- Key Polarities Indicator
• Esther Perel Podcasts- Where should we begin? & How’s work?
• Tiny Habits, by BJ Fogg
• The Love Prescription, by John and Julie Gottman
• The Big Leap: Conquer Your Hidden Fear and Take Life to the Next Level Paperback, by Gay Hendricks 

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across the next two episodes, Katie talks with ORSC coach and legally trained consultant Jennifer Pernfuss and CRR Global co-founder Marita Fridjhon about conflict. Conflict is a signal that something is trying to happen and when the signal of conflict isn't addressed, matters can escalate to other, and often more destructive forms of conflict. Conflict falls on a spectrum, and if we can become aware of the early warning signals we can produce better, more well-considered, outcomes. However, if conflict takes root and is left unaddressed it can escalate and, in more serious cases, become harassment or bullying, or at least be experienced that way, which causes all kinds of damage. This damage can rise to the level of a crisis within the team or organization. If, you haven't listened to it already we would highly recommending listening to part 1 first. In part 2 they discuss:

• The spectrum of conflict
• The early warning signs
• The complexities of escalated conflict
• Recognising the law as a voice of the system 
• Organizational crisis

Jennifer Pernfuss is an ORSC coach and legally trained consultant, helping organizations effectively address and resolve workplace harassment complaints and transform conflict. She was one of the first legally trained consultants to conduct external investigations in Ontario. She left that work to study different ways of resolving employee complaints that encourage low-level resolution and regard for all the stakeholders in a dispute.  In addition to a law degree, she has a degree in Psychology and is a trained mediator. As well as being a certified Organization and Relationship Systems Coach she is also a Trauma Informed Professional Coach. In addition, she has also had the pleasure of being trained by Brene Brown in the area of shame.  All her education, training, personal and field experience has culminated in a unique and highly effective approach to addressing and resolving harassment and other forms of conflict in the workplace.

Marita Fridjhon is a co-founder and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across the next two episodes, Katie talks with ORSC coach and legally trained consultant Jennifer Pernfuss and CRR Global co-founder Marita Fridjhon about conflict. Conflict is a signal that something is trying to happen and when the signal of conflict isn't addressed, matters can escalate to other, and often more destructive forms of conflict. Conflict falls on a spectrum, and if we can become aware of the early warning signals we can produce better, more well-considered, outcomes. However, if conflict takes root and is left unaddressed it can escalate and, in more serious cases, become harassment or bullying, or at least be experienced that way, which causes all kinds of damage. This damage can rise to the level of a crisis within the team or organization. In part 1 they discuss:

• The meaning of conflict as a signal that something is trying to happen
• Becoming more attuned to conflict signals
• Understanding that conflict is a normal and inevitable part of life
• Leaning into conflict and learning how to navigate it more skillfully

Jennifer Pernfuss is an ORSC coach and legally trained consultant, helping organizations effectively address and resolve workplace harassment complaints and transform conflict. She was one of the first legally trained consultants to conduct external investigations in Ontario. She left that work to study different ways of resolving employee complaints that encourage low-level resolution and regard for all the stakeholders in a dispute.  In addition to a law degree, she has a degree in Psychology and is a trained mediator. As well as being a certified Organization and Relationship Systems Coach she is also a Trauma Informed Professional Coach. In addition, she has also had the pleasure of being trained by Brene Brown in the area of shame.  All her education, training, personal and field experience has culminated in a unique and highly effective approach to addressing and resolving harassment and other forms of conflict in the workplace.

Marita Fridjhon is a co-founder and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging differences, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with Sandra Cain (Director of Curriculum and Senior Faculty at CRR Global) and Maddie Weinreich (Master coach and Senior Faculty at CRR Global) about the different roles that exist within relationships 

The conversation covers a range of topics including: 

• The geographic strata of relationships and how it can help us to work with the dynamics of relationships that are happening at different levels
• The value in identifying and naming roles for a relationship system
• The difference between outer and inner roles and how to work with the challenges that can show up at these different levels
• The power of putting the role out in front and embracing the RSI principle that holds that roles belong to the system, not to the individuals that inhabit those roles. 

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with a variety of leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do and how we live.

Maddie Weinreich is a senior Front of the Room Leader for the ORSC Program and ORSC Certification.  Maddie holds the Master Certified Coach (MCC) credential with the International Coaches Federation (ICF) and specializes in strengthening the interpersonal relationships that exist within business environments for the purpose of enhancing team performance and productivity. She coaches leadership teams around the globe to navigate change and to effectively improve organizational cultures within large and small businesses. In addition to coaching and training business teams, Maddie also works with dynamic couples who choose to be the architects of their relationship.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.
 

In this episode, Katie talks with Sunčica Getter and Marita Fridjhon about the power of reflective practice as a dynamic professional and personal growth resource. Across this conversation they discuss:

• How reflective practice can help us to discover and deepen our strengths, cross edges, see beyond blind spots, and find wisdom in the challenges we face
• The importance of resourcing ourselves and caring for our own well-being as coaches
• Using the five principles of Relationship Systems Intelligence as a lens for reflecting on our coaching practice and impact as a coach

This conversation builds on a previous episode, so if you haven’t listened to it already we’d highly recommend checking out Systemic Supervision from season 3.

 
Sunčica Getter, is a systemic coach, consultant, educator and head of continuous development at CRR Global. With over 20 years of experience, her focus is on transformational leadership development and systemic culture change. Her work in coaching education has seen her train, mentor and supervise coaches and design and deliver academic, public, and in-house coaching training and accreditation courses. Her experiences collaborating with world-class coaching institutions and diverse clients have made Sunčica a trusted systemic coaching consultant. She advises companies and institutions on the implementation of systemic coaching and systemic thinking for both organisational and community development. 

Marita Fridjhon is co-founder of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.   

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this podcast, Katie talks with CRR faculty member Mish Middelmann about the Relationship Sytems Intelligence at Work Program (RSI@Work). At the centre of the RSI@work program is Building Relationship Systems Intelligence in teams and organisations.  Across this conversation, Mish and Katie cover a range of topics including:

• Who the RSI@Work program is for, its impact and the power of integrating the ORSC language within organizations 
• The how and why of leading from the “we” for the good of the whole system
• What it really takes to get team and employee engagement – collaboration and co-responsibility from the get-go
• Addressing conflict skilfully and constructively as a source of innovation and growth
• What it takes for all members to really express themselves and really be heard

If you feel the RSI@Work might benefit your coaching practice and the organisations you work with- then do check out www.crrglobal.com/about/rsiwork  to find out how you can become an RSI Licensed Facilitator, or how you can bring an RSI licensee to your workplace.


Mish Middelmann is a serial social entrepreneur and transformational systems coach who holds the worldwide RSI@Work program on behalf of CRR Global. He has been a member of the CRR Global faculty since 2015, leading the full range of ORSC courses worldwide as well as supervising on the ORSC Certification program. He was the southern Africa partner for CRR Global from 2012 to 2020. Prior to that, he was the co-founder and first CEO of a hi-tech start-up serving the social development sector in the early 1990s in Johannesburg, South Africa – a business which still thrives independent of Mish. He sees the extraordinarily diverse, purpose-driven company he helped to found almost like a third child, along with his two flesh-and-blood sons.

 
For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole. 

In this episode, Katie talks with senior faculty member Maddie Weinreich about how we can bring more 'aliveness' to our most intimate relationships. This conversation introduces proven relationship skills and invites us to take a bird's-eye view of our partnerships. Themes across the episode include: 

• How we can take a more conscious approach to how our partnerships evolve
• Learning how to address common pitfalls which inhibit trust and intimacy
• The five elements necessary for a thriving, intimate relationship

For more information about the Alive in Love program please visit:  www.crrglobalusa.com/couples-workshop

Maddie Weinreich is one of CRR Global's most experienced coaches. While Maddie excels at coaching and training business teams, her passion lies in supporting couples to become the dynamic architects of their own relationship. She custom-designs coaching programs for couples to achieve the vision they have for their personal and professional lives together.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole. 

In this episode, CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller and faculty member Janet Frood are back on the show talking about nature. Building on the idea of nature as an ally which was introduced in season 3, Janet and Faith explore nature flirts as a guru principle. Across the conversation they discuss:

• The notion of a guru principle and how it can reveal your mind to you
• Quantum flirts and how they can help us to be more aware and awake to things
• How nature flirts can open up portals for inquiry through sensory awareness
• What we can learn by embracing the full range of our experience with nature
• How can we create more space for the signals that nature is sending us? 

Faith Fuller is a co-founder of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.

Janet Frood is a faculty member at CRR Global and an internationally certified coach specializing in executive, leadership and team development. After 20 years of what Janet calls her “accidental” career, she made a big leap and completely changed my own career path. In 2005, she founded Horizon Leadership and dedicated her work to supporting leaders and teams on their journey. Janet’s inspirational work focuses on the human and relational dimensions of organizational life – cultivating the talent and resourcefulness of individuals and teams so they move towards their goals together.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole. 

In this episode, Katie Churchman is in conversation with Faith, co-founder of CRR Global, about some of the systems that have inspired the work that she does, with CRR Global and beyond. The conversation covers:

• The meaning of influence
• The impact of her childhood
• Working as a psychologist
• The impact of a brain injury
• Buddhism, meditation and her spiritual background
• Being diagnosed with cancer

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams . She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with co-founder of CRR Global, Martia Fridjhon, about systems inspired coaching. Across this episode we explore:

• The value of bringing a systems inspired approach to coaching
• How to step in with a systems inspired coaching approach when working with individuals
• Using yourself- and your own system within- as a resource for coaching
• Meeting the client where they are at

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across 3 episodes in season 4, Katie talks with master coach Cynthia Loy Darst about the Inside Team: How To Turn Internal Conflict Into Clarity and Move Forward With Your Life. Based on ORSC concepts the Inside Team approach explores the collection of internal voices, parts, and beliefs that exist within us all and offers a framework for exploring these different parts of self so that we can explore our thought processes and better understand what these parts of self really want. By doing so your creativity and resourcefulness will have room to grow, turning internal conflict into clarity, negative thoughts into positive ones, and moving forward with more ease and fun in your life. In part 3, Cynthia and Katie look at how your inside team can help you to expand your range as a coach. Topics include:

• The value of expanding our range- for ourselves and our clients.
• Ways in which we can cross edges to explore secondary identities or parts of self that don’t feel so familiar.
• The importance of Edutainment- education and entertainment in coaching.
• How expanding our range and embracing more of who we are can help us to  more we hold more of the range that shows up in the clients we work with

Cynthia Loy Darst is known as a passionate pioneer in the world of Coaching and has a reputation for being both playful and inspiring. She works with all kinds of people to move them past their limitations and into more effective action. As well as being a senior course leader at CRR Global and CTI, Cynthia was one of the first eight to receive the designation of Master Certified Coach (MCC) from the International Coach Federation in 1998. Passionate about quality and excellence in the world of coaching, Cynthia was a founding member of the International Coach Federation and has served as President of ACTO (The Assoc. of Coach Training Organizations). Cynthia is also the Author of 'Meet Your Inside Team – How To Turn Internal Conflict Into Clarity and Move Forward With Your Life.' Her book is required reading for the EMBA program at Loyola Marymount University where she is a frequent guest speaker.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across 3 episodes in season 4, Katie talks with master coach Cynthia Loy Darst about the Inside Team: How To Turn Internal Conflict Into Clarity and Move Forward With Your Life. Based on ORSC concepts the Inside Team approach explores the collection of internal voices, parts, and beliefs that exist within us all and offers a framework for exploring these different parts of self so that we can explore our thought processes and better understand what these parts of self really want. By doing so your creativity and resourcefulness will have room to grow, turning internal conflict into clarity, negative thoughts into positive ones, and moving forward with more ease and fun in your life. In part 2, we explore how to find alignment with triggered selves. Topics include:

• What to do when your inside team isn’t getting along
• How to build a relationship with a triggered self
• Creating alignment between primary and secondary identities.

Cynthia Loy Darst is known as a passionate pioneer in the world of Coaching and has a reputation for being both playful and inspiring. She works with all kinds of people to move them past their limitations and into more effective action. As well as being a senior course leader at CRR Global and CTI, Cynthia was one of the first eight to receive the designation of Master Certified Coach (MCC) from the International Coach Federation in 1998. Passionate about quality and excellence in the world of coaching, Cynthia was a founding member of the International Coach Federation and has served as President of ACTO (The Assoc. of Coach Training Organizations). Cynthia is also the Author of 'Meet Your Inside Team – How To Turn Internal Conflict Into Clarity and Move Forward With Your Life.' Her book is required reading for the EMBA program at Loyola Marymount University where she is a frequent guest speaker.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across 3 episodes in season 4, Katie talks with master coach Cynthia Loy Darst about the Inside Team: How To Turn Internal Conflict Into Clarity and Move Forward With Your Life. Based on ORSC concepts the Inside Team approach explores the collection of internal voices, parts, and beliefs that exist within us all and offers a framework for exploring these different parts of self so that we can explore our thought processes and better understand what these parts of self really want. By doing so your creativity and resourcefulness will have room to grow, turning internal conflict into clarity, negative thoughts into positive ones, and moving forward with more ease and fun in your life. In part 1, topics include:

• Creating the concept of the inside team
• The value in getting to know our inside team, or system one, the system of ‘me’ 
• Techniques that can help us to become better acquainted with our internal system 
• Understanding that every player has a wisdom aspect

Cynthia Loy Darst is known as a passionate pioneer in the world of Coaching and has a reputation for being both playful and inspiring. She works with all kinds of people to move them past their limitations and into more effective action. As well as being a senior course leader at CRR Global and CTI, Cynthia was one of the first eight to receive the designation of Master Certified Coach (MCC) from the International Coach Federation in 1998. Passionate about quality and excellence in the world of coaching, Cynthia was a founding member of the International Coach Federation and has served as President of ACTO (The Assoc. of Coach Training Organizations). Cynthia is also the Author of 'Meet Your Inside Team – How To Turn Internal Conflict Into Clarity and Move Forward With Your Life.' Her book is required reading for the EMBA program at Loyola Marymount University where she is a frequent guest speaker.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CEO of CRR Global, Marita Fridjhon, about how we can use the ORSC principles with our families and also about some of the challenges this can inevitably bring up for even the most seasoned practitioner- hence the title: family is the final exam!


Marita Fridjhon is a co-founder and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with co-coaches Kerry Woodcock and Sherry Matheson about their experiences and learnings after over 13 years of co-coaching together. Across the episode we explore: 

• The value of co-coaching, what isn’t co-coaching
• How to shift your attention from yourself as an individual to the power of your relationship
• Finding alignment with a new co-coach
• Developing psychological safety and trust when leading with someone new 
• Learning to trust the third entity so that you can respond to what’s needed in the moment

Kerry Woodcock is a faculty member at CRR Global, principal of CRR Global Canada and alongside being a PCC coach, certified in CTI and ORSC, holds a doctorate in Geography and Environmental Management. Kerry leads change for a world of change — challenging the status quo of those who challenge the status quo! She thrives on working with leaders and organizations that believe that if the world is their work, they had better start at home. They are the innovators, disturbers, challengers, provocateurs, and brink leaders of our world, who believe that it is powerful relationship that creates meaningful change and are willing to do the courageously authentic work it takes to amplify the power of relationship. 

Sherry Matheson is a faculty member at CRR Global and a PCC coach who believes the key is focusing on relationships.  She develops leaders & teams who create organizational cultures that innovate, driving new ideas, new ventures & creative impactful collaborations.  Sherry brings 26 years of experience working in and with executives, directors, managers & teams in various settings – corporate, legal, government, oil & gas, not-for-profit, engineering, health & wellness & collaborative team leadership development to her coaching, facilitating & consulting services.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CEO of CRR Global, Marita Fridjhon, about how to take the ORSC tools and skills outside of coaching sessions and into our everyday interactions.  Across the conversation we discuss:

• How to make a difference in the places where we don’t coach
• Bringing a different form of collective change through these small yet significant interactions
• Small acts of kindness
• The power of positivity
• Bringing a coaching mindset to our wider community systems

Marita Fridjhon is a co-founder and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.

For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with one of the co-founders of CRR global, Faith Fuller, about Idiot Compassion. Idiot compassion is helping in unhelpful ways.  Helping someone perpetuate their neurosis or unskillfulness at the expense of others.  Or at the expense of a client's well-being.  This conversation covers:

• The different situations that can bring out idiot compassion
• Using Meet, Reveal Align and Act as a way of sharing a truth in a much more skilful way
• The coach as a mirror: a client cannot change unless we reveal the truth to them

Faith Fuller is one of the co-founders and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 15 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across 3 episodes in season 4, Katie talks with master coach Lori Shook about  Alchemy: The Art and Science of co-facilitation. Based on ORSC concepts the alchemy approach was designed to help pairs create magical co-deliveries, whether they be co-coaching, co-facilitating, or co-parenting! ​Magical co-facilitation, inspired participants, deep learning – these things don’t just happen. However, you can learn the tools and techniques that can help you and your partner to consistently and intentionally create successful, transformative, high-impact learning experiences together. In the final instalment of this 3-part series on alchemy, we explore the power of being conscious and intentional about our impact. Across this conversation we discuss:

• Why the energy of the facilitators' matters
• Creating conscious and intentional emotional fields
• The magic of Metaskills when co-leading

Lori Shook is a pioneer in the coaching world: she jumped into the budding field of coaching in the mid-1990s, earned the designation of Master Certified Coach by 2001 and has been training coaches for over 20 years. Lori has coached small business owners, managers, and executives around the world. She has worked with leaders in a variety of organisations including large multinationals and small to mid-sized businesses. As a pioneer in the coaching world, she was a driving force for the global expansion of coaching as she helped spread CoActive coaching across North America and helped introduce coaching to many countries throughout EMEA.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across 3 episodes in season 4, Katie talks with master coach Lori Shook about  Alchemy: The Art and Science of co-facilitation. Based on ORSC concepts the alchemy approach was designed to help pairs create magical co-deliveries, whether they be co-coaching, co-facilitating, or co-parenting! ​Magical co-facilitation, inspired participants, deep learning – these things don’t just happen. However, you can learn the tools and techniques that can help you and your partner to consistently and intentionally create successful, transformative, high-impact learning experiences together. In part 2 we explore the experiential learning approach. Across this conversation we discuss: 

• How people learn
• Setting the context and getting by in
• The importance of debriefing and finding applications
• The power of properly on-ramping and off-ramping people in and out of exercises

Lori Shook is a pioneer in the coaching world: she jumped into the budding field of coaching in the mid-1990s, earned the designation of Master Certified Coach by 2001 and has been training coaches for over 20 years. Lori has coached small business owners, managers, and executives around the world. She has worked with leaders in a variety of organisations including large multinationals and small to mid-sized businesses. As a pioneer in the coaching world, she was a driving force for the global expansion of coaching as she helped spread CoActive coaching across North America and helped introduce coaching to many countries throughout EMEA.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across 3 episodes in season 4, Katie talks with master coach Lori Shook about  Alchemy: The Art and Science of co-facilitation. Based on ORSC concepts the alchemy approach was designed to help pairs create magical co-deliveries, whether they be co-coaching, co-facilitating, or co-parenting! ​Magical co-facilitation, inspired participants, deep learning – these things don’t just happen. However, you can learn the tools and techniques that can help you and your partner to consistently and intentionally create successful, transformative, high-impact learning experiences together. In part 1 we discuss alchemy and coaching outcomes. Across this conversation we discuss:

• Why partners need to get aligned on outcomes
• What happens when we’re not aligned
• Designing our sessions so that everything is in service of the outcomes.

Lori Shook is a pioneer in the coaching world: she jumped into the budding field of coaching in the mid-1990s, earned the designation of Master Certified Coach by 2001 and has been training coaches for over 20 years. Lori has coached small business owners, managers, and executives around the world. She has worked with leaders in a variety of organisations including large multinationals and small to mid-sized businesses. As a pioneer in the coaching world, she was a driving force for the global expansion of coaching as she helped spread CoActive coaching across North America and helped introduce coaching to many countries throughout EMEA.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie Churchman is in conversation with Marita Fridjhon, co-owner and CEO of CRR Global, about some of the systems that have inspired the work that she does, with CRR Global and beyond. The conversation covers:

• Growing up in South Africa during the Apartheid era
• Working as a clinical social worker at the University of Cape Town
• Her time in the Amazon during a cross-cultural research project investigating the impact of death and dying in families and communities
• Discovering coaching and the work of Arnie and Amy Mindell
• The power of looking back in order to step forward into Right Relationship with the many systems within which we all exist.

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 5 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from Worldworkers from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this podcast, Katie talks with Yan Zhang about her Worldwork project: Teach for China and Team Cohesion. Teach for China is a non-profit organisation that recruits outstanding Chinese and American college graduates and trains them to serve as full-time teachers in under-resourced Chinese schools. Across the episode, Yan talks about her learnings and insights after working with the operations team at Teach for China, who were looking to build more connection, role clarity and team cohesion.

Yan Zhang is a leadership coach and team coach with over 15 years of experience as a senior executive at Fortune 500 and startup companies in China, across financial services, data & information, education, media, e-commerce, and investment banking. Her coaching philosophy is to inspire and empower people and organization with love, she leverages the professional skills of executive coaching, and team coaching to support company executives and entrepreneurs to unleash the power of leadership, and ignite teams to build greater trust, manifest collaborative power, and evoke transformation. 

The Worldwork Project is a key element in the ORSC certification journey. It allows students to apply the ORSC™ materials in the real world and develop themselves as change agents. At CRR Global we hold all our students as change agents and train them to be conscious of what impact they want to make in their world. We believe that everybody’s impact –whether conscious or unconscious— sends ripples out into the world. It’s up to all of us, as world workers, to keep our communities safe and healthy. For more information about World Work and the ORSC Certification programme click here.

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 5 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from Worldworkers from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this podcast, Katie talks to Brandon Raines about his Worldwork Project: assisting Girl Scouts to continue their journey to become future leaders. Brandon's coaching plan focused on providing the girls with tools and competencies geared towards finding alignment. Throughout the discussion, Brandon discusses his key learnings, including overcoming his fear to allow the system to be creative, intelligent and resilient and trusting the system. 

Brandon Raines is an Organization Design and Enterprise Coach who has worked with public and private entities, both large and small.  He has helped organizations and individuals emerge from near failure to thriving models of success.  Brandon is a noted author, speaker and presenter on topics of leadership, organization design and teamwork.  Brandon is a Certified Enterprise Coach with the Scrum Alliance.  He is also trained and certified in Organization Relationship Systems Coaching and certified by the Disney Institute in Customer Relationships. Brandon has a deep background in Information Technology organizations as a Software Developer.  Brandon has also served as Chief Operating Officer for a mid-size company where he instituted many organizational and leadership practices.  

The Worldwork Project is a key element in the ORSC certification journey. It allows students to apply the ORSC™ materials in the real world and develop themselves as change agents. At CRR Global we hold all our students as change agents and train them to be conscious of what impact they want to make in their world. We believe that everybody’s impact –whether conscious or unconscious— sends ripples out into the world. It’s up to all of us, as world workers, to keep our communities safe and healthy. For more information about World Work and the ORSC Certification programme click here.

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 5 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from Worldworkers from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this episode, Katie talks with Jie Zhou about her Worldwork project: championing emotions in Chinese corporations. Jie’s project was inspired by her experiences living and working in China. From a young age, Jie was encouraged to keep positive AND negative emotions to herself, especially in the workplace. Her world work project aimed at encouraging her, her colleagues and her clients to speak out more about various emotions and expectations in order to create deeper mutual understanding and better relationships.

Jie Zhou is a leadership trainer and team coach and CRR Global faculty. After working for 20+ years in government, start-up and multinational corporations, she realized the value of unleashing individual and team leadership potential. Encouraged by her hands-on coaching and training experiences for her team, she made career change from Strategy, Market & Technology Head to a freelance coach and trainer. She has a bachelor degree of finance from Fudan University and an MBA from Darden Business School at University of Virginia, USA.

The Worldwork Project is a key element in the ORSC certification journey. It allows students to apply the ORSC™ materials in the real world and develop themselves as change agents. At CRR Global we hold all our students as change agents and train them to be conscious of what impact they want to make in their world. We believe that everybody’s impact –whether conscious or unconscious— sends ripples out into the world. It’s up to all of us, as world workers, to keep our communities safe and healthy. For more information about World Work and the ORSC Certification programme click here.

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Conversations on Cancer is a 6-part mini-series on the Relationship Matters podcast focusing on finding Right Relationship with life-threatening illness. Across the 6 episodes, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman talk with survivors & caregivers from around the world about their relationship with life-threatening illness. In this episode, Katie talks with Marita Fridjhon and Daphne Taylor about what it means to be in right relationship when one is a caregiver.

Daphne Taylor is ORSC faculty and was Front of Room and certification faculty over a period of 13 years, and is now part of the team producing CRR Global’s new Systemic Supervision program. Her husband, Paul,  was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer in 2015 and given 12-18 months to live. They had been married for 34 years and had a strong, loving relationship and were just emerging from the years of child-rearing to planning exciting adventures ahead. Paul lived for 18 months and died in a hospice, just after his 60th birthday in 2017.

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. Her business and life partner Faith Fuller was diagnosed with stage 4 Uterine Cancer in September 2021. She is currently in remission.

Conversations on Cancer is a 6-part mini-series on the Relationship Matters podcast focusing on finding Right Relationship with life-threatening illness. Across the 6 episodes, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman talk with survivors & caregivers from around the world about their relationship with life-threatening illness. In this episode, Faith and Katie talk with Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbrandt about finding Right Relationship with uncertainty.

Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbrandt is a certified Leadership and Organizational Coach and Consultant, who has worked for more than 25 years on some of the world’s most intractable conflicts with the United Nations, governments, and global think tanks, traveling to over eighty countries and living in Asia, Europe, Africa and the Americas. She was diagnosed in March 2021 at age 52 with inoperable Stage 4 Cholangiocarcinoma, a rare and incurable bile duct cancer with poor prognosis.  She is being treated at  Memorial Sloan Kettering in New York City where she has so far undergone 40 infusions of platinum-based chemotherapy.

Conversations on Cancer is a 6-part mini-series on the Relationship Matters podcast focusing on finding Right Relationship with life-threatening illness. Across the 6 episodes, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman talk with survivors & caregivers from around the world about their relationship with life-threatening illness. In this epsiode, Faith and Katie are talking with Mish Middleman about right relationship with prostate cancer and male identity.

Mish Middelmann was the founding CEO of Praxis Computing, a hi-tech start-up in the 1990s, and then became a systems coach, brought ORSC to Africa in 2012 and is now a part of the CRR Global faculty, both leading ORSC courses and supervising certification students worldwide.  Mish was an apparently very fit and healthy 61-year-old when he was lucky enough to be diagnosed with prostate cancer just before it spread beyond his prostate gland. After being bewildered by the complete absence of a roadmap for recovery from the side effects of his treatment, he created www.recoveringman.net, where he, his partner and many other prostate cancer survivors share their stories very frankly and intimately, as they unfold. This has also led to a global Recovering Men support group – a space of live conversation, vulnerable strength and openness.

Conversations on Cancer is a 6-part mini-series on the Relationship Matters podcast focusing on finding Right Relationship with life-threatening illness. Across the 6 episodes, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman talk with survivors & caregivers from around the world about their relationship with life-threatening illness. In this episode, Faith and Katie talk with Sally Waters about what it means to be in right relationship with death when a diagnosis is terminal.

Sally Waters is a retired mediator and ORSC coach. She has a wife and 3 kids aged 17, 21 and 26. She was diagnosed with Stage III breast cancer in Jan 2013, and then with Stage IV breast cancer in June 2014 which has spread to her spine.

Conversations on Cancer is a 6-part mini-series on the Relationship Matters podcast focusing on finding Right Relationship with life-threatening illness. Across the 6 episodes, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman talk with survivors & caregivers from around the world about their relationship with life-threatening illness. In this episode, Faith and Katie talk with Linda Berlot about finding Right Relationship with the body during the journey of cancer 

Linda Berlot is Director of Faculty Development at CRR Global and ORSC Partner for the UAE. She is a human development specialist with more than 19 years of experience in the fields of learning and development, strategic organizational change and team dynamics with a focus on creating alignment in the organizations she works with.  She is of Italian origin and has been living in the United Arab Emirates and working in the Middle East since 2004. She was diagnosed with breast cancer 10 years ago and has had a radical mastectomy and reconstruction. 

Conversations on Cancer is a 6-part mini-series on the Relationship Matters podcast focusing on finding Right Relationship with life-threatening illness. Across the 6 episodes, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman talk with survivors & caregivers from around the world about their relationship with life-threatening illness. In this episode, Katie talks with Faith Fuller about her own journey with cancer. How can we be in Right Relationship with life-threatening illness? 

Faith Fuller is co-founder of CRR Global.  She was diagnosed with stage 4 Uterine Cancer in September 2021 and is currently in remission. In true Faith fashion, she wants to create a global conversation about the cancer curveball that impacts so many of our lives. 

Since its inception, the Relationship Matters podcast continues to explore topics and concepts, often pushing boundaries in conversations. On Wednesday, we will be launching our next miniseries - Conversations on Cancer, focusing on finding Right Relationship with life-threatening illness

Co-Founder of CRR Global Faith Fuller is currently in remission following her own journey with cancer and is joining podcast creator Katie Churchman to present six interviews with cancer survivors or their caregivers.

Visit the Relationship Matter podcast feed on Wednesday 25th May to listen to all six episodes.

Across this 3-part special, Katie talks with Justin Zorn & Leigh Marz co-authors of Golden The Power of Silence in a World of Noise. The book reveals how to go beyond the ordinary rules and tools of mindfulness. It’s a field guide for navigating the noise of the modern world—not just the noise in our ears but also on our screens and in our heads. Drawing on lessons from neuroscience, business, spirituality, politics, and the arts, Marz and Zorn explore why auditory, informational, and internal silence is essential for physical health, mental clarity, ecological sustainability, and vibrant community.

In part 3 we discuss how to repair our world, using silence as a powerful force for transformation and rethinking the structures which organise our lives.

Leigh Marz is a faculty member at CRR Global and a collaboration consultant and leadership coach for major universities, corporations, and federal agencies. In addition, she is a long time student of pioneering researchers and practitioners of the ritualized use of psychedelic medicines in the West. In her professional work, she has led diverse initiatives, including a training program to promote an experimental mindset among teams at NASA and a decade-long cross-sector collaboration to reduce toxic chemicals in products, in partnership with Green Science Policy Institute, Harvard University, IKEA, Google, and Kaiser Permanente. Leigh lives in Berkeley, California, with her husband and daughter.

Justin Talbot Zorn has served as both a policymaker and a meditation teacher in the U.S. Congress. A Harvard- and Oxford-trained specialist in the economics and psychology of well-being, Justin has written for the Washington Post, The Atlantic, Harvard Business Review, Foreign Policy, and other publications. Along with Leigh, he confounded Astrea Strategies, a consultancy that bridges contemplation and action, helping leaders and teams envision and communicate solutions to complex challenges. He lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico, with his wife and three children.

For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across this 3-part special, Katie talks with Justin Zorn & Leigh Marz co-authors of Golden The Power of Silence in a World of Noise. The book reveals how to go beyond the ordinary rules and tools of mindfulness. It’s a field guide for navigating the noise of the modern world—not just the noise in our ears but also on our screens and in our heads. Drawing on lessons from neuroscience, business, spirituality, politics, and the arts, Marz and Zorn explore why auditory, informational, and internal silence is essential for physical health, mental clarity, ecological sustainability, and vibrant community.

In part 2, we discuss the dark side of silence, appreciating and understanding silence as an ally, silence as a presence, and learning how to look turn into the silent spaces that live between all of the noise in our lives 

Leigh Marz is a faculty member at CRR Global and a collaboration consultant and leadership coach for major universities, corporations, and federal agencies. In addition, she is a long time student of pioneering researchers and practitioners of the ritualized use of psychedelic medicines in the West. In her professional work, she has led diverse initiatives, including a training program to promote an experimental mindset among teams at NASA and a decade-long cross-sector collaboration to reduce toxic chemicals in products, in partnership with Green Science Policy Institute, Harvard University, IKEA, Google, and Kaiser Permanente. Leigh lives in Berkeley, California, with her husband and daughter.

Justin Talbot Zorn has served as both a policymaker and a meditation teacher in the U.S. Congress. A Harvard- and Oxford-trained specialist in the economics and psychology of well-being, Justin has written for the Washington Post, The Atlantic, Harvard Business Review, Foreign Policy, and other publications. Along with Leigh, he confounded Astrea Strategies, a consultancy that bridges contemplation and action, helping leaders and teams envision and communicate solutions to complex challenges. He lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico, with his wife and three children.

For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

Across this 3-part special, Katie talks with Justin Zorn & Leigh Marz co-authors of Golden The Power of Silence in a World of Noise. The book reveals how to go beyond the ordinary rules and tools of mindfulness. It’s a field guide for navigating the noise of the modern world—not just the noise in our ears but also on our screens and in our heads. Drawing on lessons from neuroscience, business, spirituality, politics, and the arts, Marz and Zorn explore why auditory, informational, and internal silence is essential for physical health, mental clarity, ecological sustainability, and vibrant community.

In part 1 we explore how to better navigate the noise of the modern world. Across the conversation, we discuss different interpretations of silence, what gets in the way of silence, the power of silence and how we can all benefit from it, how silence helped them to write this book, how to find pockets of silence in our everyday lives.

Leigh Marz is a faculty member at CRR Global and a collaboration consultant and leadership coach for major universities, corporations, and federal agencies. In addition, she is a long time student of pioneering researchers and practitioners of the ritualized use of psychedelic medicines in the West. In her professional work, she has led diverse initiatives, including a training program to promote an experimental mindset among teams at NASA and a decade-long cross-sector collaboration to reduce toxic chemicals in products, in partnership with Green Science Policy Institute, Harvard University, IKEA, Google, and Kaiser Permanente. Leigh lives in Berkeley, California, with her husband and daughter.

Justin Talbot Zorn has served as both a policymaker and a meditation teacher in the U.S. Congress. A Harvard- and Oxford-trained specialist in the economics and psychology of well-being, Justin has written for the Washington Post, The Atlantic, Harvard Business Review, Foreign Policy, and other publications. Along with Leigh, he confounded Astrea Strategies, a consultancy that bridges contemplation and action, helping leaders and teams envision and communicate solutions to complex challenges. He lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico, with his wife and three children.

For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie is talking with Sunčica Getter and Marita Fridjhon about Systemic supervision. CRR Global’s new Systemic Supervision program launched at the start of this year, as a way to help team coaches ‘walk the talk’ through understanding the many levels (and layers) of systems that may show up in systemic coaching. Systemic supervision is a reflective practice, that uses the principles of RSI as a framework for deepening our understanding of ourselves and the systems that we are working with.

For more information about CRR Global's systemic supervision program, please click here.

Sunčica Getter, MA, PCC, is a systemic coach, consultant and educator. With over 20 years of experience, her focus is on transformational leadership development and systemic culture change. Sunčica is a faculty member of CRR Global and a UK Faculty Lead and Senior Consultant for Performance Consultants International. Her work in coaching education has seen her train, mentor and supervise coaches and design and deliver academic, public, and in-house coaching training and accreditation courses. Her experiences collaborating with world-class coaching institutions and diverse clients have made Sunčica a trusted systemic coaching consultant. She advises companies and institutions on the implementation of systemic coaching and systemic thinking for both organisational and community development.

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie is talking with CRR Global co-founder and CEO Marita Fridjhon about curiosity and quantum flirts. Building off their last conversation in which they explored chasing the speed of change, they explore how quantum flirts- or tiny synchronistic signals in the world around us- can help us to slow down and see situations differently. The term, ‘Quantum flirt’ comes from the work of Arnold Mindell, to describe the most fleeting perceptions. It's called a quantum flirt since it’s short-lived and has the feel of the universe winking at you! Across the episode Marita and Katie discuss the power of a “yes and…” mindset, using distractions in the world around us as a way into relationship, dancing with whatever emerges, and seeing the abundance in all things.

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In part one of two special bonus episodes with CRR Global co-founder and CEO Marita Fridjhon, Marita and Katie discuss ways in which we can create space within the pace of change. How can we slow down upfront in order to speed up in the long run? Chasing the speed of change happens on every level and it’s inevitable. It’s part of being human. So we have to work really hard at slowing down in order to focus on the people in front of us and connect with where we are.  Practising pause is essential for our relational evolution. Whilst everything else speeds up to around us how can we create moments of pause in order to reflect on where we are and connect with who’s in front of us?

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this bonus episode of the Relationship Matters Podcast, Katie talks with Marita Fridjhon and Frank Uit de Weerd about their new book, ‘Systems Inspired Leadership: How to tap collective wisdom to navigate change, enhance agility and foster collaboration.’ The book, which topped the Amazon charts Business & Organizational Learning in its first week, offers a powerful alternative for innovative leaders. Instead of an outmoded and ineffective top-down, leader-knows-all style that results in stress, pressure, and anxiety, Systems Inspired Leadership offers a fresh, proven approach for achieving optimal results for organizations.

Systems Inspired Leadership is available to purchase on Amazon.

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.

Frank Uit de Weerd is an organizational psychologist and executive/team/systems coach with extensive experience in leadership development, business innovation and cultural transformation. He builds on more than 25 years of international experience in Human Resources with Royal Dutch Shell, where he held assignments in Europe (Netherlands, Belgium, UK), Africa (Gabon) and Asia (Malaysia). He believes that it’s critical for organizations to create a work environment where people feel safe to bring their whole person and where they are supported and encouraged to step into their magnificence. These so-called human-centered organizations create superior results and are key for building a better, more conscious and sustainable world.

For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In the final episode of season 3,  Katie talks with Faith Fuller and Yuri Morikawa and the evolution of women's leadership. Faith Fuller, co-founder of CRR Global and Yuri Morikawa founder of CRR Japan have an international friendship and creative partnership that spans over 12 years. In this podcast, they share a topic that is close to their hearts and one that has been evolving across through their conversations for many years: the evolution of women’s leadership. Across the episode, they discuss the triple goddess archetype (maiden, mother, crone) as a framework for understanding the evolution of women’s leadership, how they have evolved as leaders in their work and lives, the unique qualities women bring to leadership and what we might embrace from the different life stages.

Faith Fuller is co-owner and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 15 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams . She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.

Yuri Morikawa has been an active player in the professional coaching field since 2004. Prior to her career in coaching, Yuri worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. After being a trainer for Coaching Training Institute (CTI) for 8 years, she launched the Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) program in Japan and founded CRR Japan in 2009.  Currently, she is a global faculty member of CRR Global, developing professional organizational coaches around the world such as in Japan, China, Singapore, South Africa, Australia. She is passionate about bringing her professional experience to the bigger social context and works extensively with NGOs in Social Sectors such as Kamonohashi Project supporting survivor leaders of human trafficking issues in India and Asia Rural Institute educating organic farming and developing servant leadership for rural leaders in Asia and Africa.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with ORSC coach and Agile expert Terrance Turpin about micromanagers as a voice of the system. Many managers who are dealing with cross-functional teams can all too easily fall into the habit of micro-managing. They are now removed from the products that previously led to promotion and are now suddenly expected to focus on the people. They find themselves stuck- still looking to be tactical as opposed to working relationally and systemically with their teams. As coaches, as opposed to trying to ‘fix’ the individual manager, can we look at the systemic structures that lead to micro-managing and consider what’s driving that behavior. Across the episode, Katie and Terrance discuss the biggest challenge for change for functional managers, how coaches can help them to fill the role differently and how to help managers shift from focusing on products to people. 

Terrance Turpin has over 20 years of experience in Technology and Software Development and is also a CRR USA staff member. Terrance blends Team coaching – supporting teams in clarifying, aligning & co-creating as a diverse but single entity -and Agility coaching – establishing healthy states of flow across an organization by coaching for alignment in structure, processes, environments, and relationships. Terrance believes that the coaching process is one that generates understanding and alignment for the client, their environments, and those they interact with.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Floyd Carlson is back on the show talking about Neuroscience and Teams. This is the second installment of a two-part special, focusing on neuroscience and what it can teach us about relationship. In Part 2, Floyd focused specifically on teams and looking at what the latest neuroscience research can teach us about our work with teams.  Across the episode, Katie and Floyd discuss a variety of topics including David Rock’s SCARF Model and the five domains of human social experience (status, certainty, autonomy, relatedness, and fairness), leadership as a role that belongs to the system and updating our group behavioral patterns in service of creating resilient and resourceful teams. If you haven't listened to part 1, we'd highly recommend checking out Neuroscience & Relationship.

Floyd Carlson is a Front of the Room Leader for CRR Global who focuses on leaders, teams and bringing the best out of individuals based on company and individual objectives. Floyd has more than 30 years of business and military experience which he combines with his coaching, training, and organizational development to help leaders achieve professional and personal goals in alignment with company needs.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global CEO and Co-Founder Marita Fridjhon about hearing, seeing and sensing Systems. The capacity to be present with systems is at the heart of Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching and a coach or leader can do this through a variety of different channels, like seeing, hearing and feeling.  Across the episode Katie and Marita look at the benefits of truly listening, connecting with systems across different channels, sensing the emotional field of systems and tuning into wider systems. 

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Master Coach  Maddie Weinreich is back on the show talking about two further coaching competencies she sees coaches struggling with the most: Revealing the system to itself and working with the emotional field. As well as being past director of faculty and leader development at CRR Global Maddie currently serves as a senior Front of the Room Leader for the ORSC Program and ORSC Certification. Over the course of the episode, Katie and Maddie discuss ways to reveal the system to itself, the power of revealing and how to work with the emotional field and ways to help your clients. If you haven't listened to part 1, we'd highly recommend checking out Coaching Competencies: Holding the system as client.

Maddie Weinreich specializes in strengthening the interpersonal relationships that exist within business environments for the purpose of enhancing team performance and productivity.  She coaches leadership teams around the globe to navigate change and to effectively improve organizational cultures within large and small businesses. Maddie currently serves as a senior Front of the Room Leader for the ORSC Program and ORSC Certification.  Maddie holds the Master Certified Coach (MCC) credential with the International Coaches Federation (ICF). She is a Certified Organization and Relationship Systems Coach (ORSCC), a Certified Team Performance Coach (CTPC), and a Certified Professional Co-Active Coach (CPCC).  Maddie also provides mentoring services and consultation for professionals working in the field of relationship growth and development.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global faculty member and founder of CRR Japan, Yuri Morikawa about how listening is healing. Across the episode, they discuss listening as a superpower, what it means to really listen, the potential of listening in Relationship Systems Work, healing through listening, and how to truly listen to ourselves, our clients and the world around us at a deeper level.

Yuri Morikawa has been an active player in the professional coaching field since 2004. Prior to her career in coaching, Yuri worked as a management consultant specializing in organizational and leadership development for 13 years. After being a trainer for Coaching Training Institute (CTI) for 8 years, she launched the Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) program in Japan and founded CRR Japan in 2009.  Currently, she is a global faculty member of CRR Global, developing professional organizational coaches around the world such as in Japan, China, Singapore, South Africa, Australia. She is passionate about bringing her professional experience to the bigger social context and works extensively with NGOs in Social Sectors such as Kamonohashi Project supporting survivor leaders of human trafficking issues in India and Asia Rural Institute educating organic farming and developing servant leadership for rural leaders in Asia and Africa.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode Katie talks with ORSC faculty leader and CRR Canada partner, Kerry Woodcock about the magic of Metaskills. 

The concept of metaskills was first introduced by Amy Mindell and has since been enhanced and leveraged in key tools in the ORSC approach. A metaSkill is the attitude, stance, philosophy, or “come from” place that both the leader and team members stand in when doing this work. The intentional use of MetaSkills provides an invaluable skillset that can improve overall performance and connectivity. MetaSkills are like rooms that can be stepped into, which then ‘perfume’ the work.  

Kerry Woodcock leads change for a world of change, by both holding and challenging leaders, organizations and social systems to amplify the power of relationship—for it is powerful relationship that creates meaningful change. Kerry is an International Coach Federation Professional Certified Coach, certified in Co-active Coaching and Organizational and Relationship Systems Coaching, with a doctorate in Geography and Environmental Management. Kerry’s training and research in human and social development is combined with over twenty-five years of practical experience in partnering with leaders and their organizations on their growth and development journeys. She has worked in a range of organizational contexts, from Non-Governmental Organizations to corporations and government in a variety of industries, from Forestry to Energy, and Engineering and Finance to Media and Communications and Libraries, and across cultures, from UK and Spain to Tanzania and Ethiopia and Canada and USA. British-born, she is based in Canada with the world as her playground. She is the Director of Novalda and CRR Canada.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Sandra Cain (Director of Curriculum and Senior Faculty at CRR Global) discusses the process of Meet, Reveal, Align and Act. Whether we are engaging in a one-on-one conversation with a neighbor or working with a large group, these three phases can help us when working with all types of Relationship Systems. Across the episode we discuss how to effectively meet a system, helping clients to keep moving forward during the reveal phase, the importance of align & act, and using this process as a meeting planner. 

Sandra Cain is Director of Curriculum and Senior Faculty at CRR Global. Her background includes 15 years’ experience at American Express with a variety of leadership and personal development roles. She bridges that experience with her current passion for building relationships, increasing positivity and developing communication skills in service of creating and navigating change in the workplace.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, restoration practitioner Jennifer Pernfuss talks about how to resolve harassment complaints (and conflict) using a systems inspired approach.

If you’ve not had a chance to listen to part 1, we'd highly recommend checking out Workplace conflict (part 1): The balcony view. In part 1, Jennifer and Katie discuss the importance of taking a systemic view in highly charged and complex workplace harassment cases. In this episode, Jennifer walks us through the typical process and procedure of a workplace harassment case; explains the different stakeholders in play; discusses the importance of creating psychological safety; and looks ahead to the type of reform she would like to see happen.

Jennifer Pernfuss is a non-practicing lawyer with a degree in Psychology and has maintained a consulting and coaching business for 27 years focusing exclusively on the prevention and elimination of workplace discrimination, harassment and the resolution of workplace conflict and employee complaints. Trained in systems theory, process-oriented psychology and relationship systems coaching combined with her understanding of the law Jennifer develops and implements restorative processes, helps repair strained working relationships and move parties to resolution. 

For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with Floyd Carlson about Neuroscience and Relationships. This is the first of 2 installments on neuroscience and what it can teach us about our relationships. In Part 1 we’re talking about how neuroscience can help us to better understand ourselves because the more we are aware of what’s going on within us, the more it’s going to help us as coaches, leaders and human beings. We discuss a variety of topics including how to regulate in the moment, types of intuition, the body budget, how we create our emotions through a process of prediction and how to disrupt our prediction patterns so that we can be more at choice in our lives.

Floyd Carlson is a Front of the Room Leader for CRR Global who focuses on leaders, teams and bringing the best out of individuals based on company and individual objectives. Floyd has more than 30 years of business and military experience which he combines with his coaching, training, and organizational development to help leaders achieve professional and personal goals in alignment with company needs.

Resources:

• Lisa Feldman Barret TED talk

For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global CEO and co-founder Marita Fridjhon about the competencies behind system inspired leadership. Systems Inspired Leadership (SIL) is an innovative approach to leadership that creates from the wisdom of the system rather than tells people what to do and builds shared leadership at all levels of the organization. Their discussion includes what is and isn’t a systems inspired leader, how to empower leaders and teams to adopt this different approach to leadership, how Systems’ inspired leadership set us up to better navigate the complexity and disruptive forces of the 21st century and stepping into the collective intelligence of the system itself.

Marita Fridjhon is co-owner and CEO of CRR Global and mentor to an ever-growing community of practitioners in the field of Relationship Systems work. She designs curriculum and operates training programs in Relationship Systems Work for coaches, executives and teams. She came to this work from an extensive background in Clinical Social Work, Community Development, Process Work, Family Systems Therapy, Business Consulting and Alternative Dispute Resolution. She has an international mentor coaching practice of individuals, partnerships and teams. Her primary focus in coaching is on systemic change, leveraging diversity, creative communication, deep democracy in conflict management and the development of Learning Organizations.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie is talking with Neil Edwards about Leadership and Love. In business ‘love’ is not a word, characteristic, or value, we often see or use. Yet, what might be the value of bringing more ‘love’ into the workplace? And how might leading with love transform our working relationships and company cultures? Across the episode we discuss how love affirms life, the sanitation of words in the workplace, the challenges and missed opportunities in leaving love out of the boardroom; expanding our leadership range in include love and loving response, creating shared understanding around what love means, and the power of living and leading with love.

Neil Edwards is a Front of the Room Leader and Certification Faculty for CRR Global. Neil specializes in expanding range and strengthening resilience for leaders, and creating capacity and capability of teams and organizational systems to be positive, productive, and agile in the face of change. He coaches and teaches individuals, teams, and larger organizational systems to identify values, define purpose, act intentionally, think systemically, be inclusive, and nurture wellbeing. He has extensive experience coaching accountants, engineers, attorneys, MBAs, executives, and finance; brand; and IT professionals in corporations, government, and professional services.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Master Coach Maddie Weinreich delves into two of the coaching competencies she sees new systems coaches’ struggling with the most: holding the system as the client and holding the system as intelligent, generative, and creative. Over the course of the episode, Maddie discusses tips, traps and tricks to using these competencies, what it means to ‘hold the system’ as a client, some of the benefits of working with our clients in this way and empowering the system by holding them as inherently intelligent, generative and creative.

Maddie Weinreich specializes in strengthening the interpersonal relationships that exist within business environments for the purpose of enhancing team performance and productivity.  She coaches leadership teams around the globe to navigate change and to effectively improve organizational cultures within large and small businesses. Maddie currently serves as a senior Front of the Room Leader for the ORSC Program and ORSC Certification.  Maddie holds the Master Certified Coach (MCC) credential with the International Coaches Federation (ICF). She is a Certified Organization and Relationship Systems Coach (ORSCC), a Certified Team Performance Coach (CTPC), and a Certified Professional Co-Active Coach (CPCC).  Maddie also provides mentoring services and consultation for professionals working in the field of relationship growth and development.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie talks with workplace conflict expert, Jennifer Pernfuss, about how to effectively meet systems amidst conflict and crisis, by taking the balcony view. They discuss why it’s important to bring a systems lens to issues involving workplace harassment, using workplace conflict in a constructive manner, creating psychological safety, and the role of rank and privilege. 

Jennifer Pernfuss is a non-practicing lawyer with a degree in Psychology and has maintained a consulting and coaching business for 27 years focusing exclusively on the prevention and elimination of workplace discrimination, harassment and the resolution of workplace conflict and employee complaints. Trained in systems theory, process-oriented psychology and relationship systems coaching combined with her understanding of the law Jennifer develops and implements restorative processes, helps repair strained working relationships and move parties to resolution.

For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this episode, Katie Churchman is talking with CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller and CRR faculty member Janet Frood about viewing Nature as an ally when we consider relationship systems intelligence. This isn’t just about considering our relationship with nature but also, thinking about how nature is a part of us and looking at what nature can teach us. Across the episode, they cover a variety of colorful topics including: nature’s ability to shift our perspective; the healing power of nature; and nature’s insight into relationship challenges.  

Janet Frood is an executive, team and leadership coach who focuses on human and relational dimensions of organizational development. After 20 years of what Janet calls her “accidental” career, she made a big leap and completely changed my own career path. In 2005, she founded Horizon Leadership and dedicated her work to supporting leaders and teams on their journey. Janet’s inspirational work focuses on the human and relational dimensions of organizational life – cultivating the talent and resourcefulness of individuals and teams so they move towards their goals together. 

Faith Fuller is co-owner and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach, with over 15 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams . She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

To kick-start a brand new season of the Relationship Matters Podcast, Katie Churchman talks with Sandra Cain (Director of Curriculum and Senior Faculty at CRR Global) about crossing edges around returning to the office. 

After over a year of lock-down and remote working, many organizations are now contemplating a return to the office. However, there’s no clear road map for navigating this change and business leaders are finding that the challenges are much more complicated than originally thought. Looking through a systems lens, Sandra considers the opportunities for relationship as we cross edges and create new ways of working together during this transition into another new normal with regards to company culture, work-life balance and clear and courageous communication.

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with a variety of leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do and how we live.


For over 18 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

 We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 4 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from 4 Worldworkers from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this episode, Katie Churchman is talking with Jess Sedler about she blended ORSC with performance and cabaret, in what she has categorized as her first ‘Ted Talk’ cabaret.

Jess is an ICF accredited systemic coach and facilitator in both private and not-for-profit sectors. Through her brand ‘Self and System’ she coaches leaders and teams, as well as family systems, to develop their relational intelligence and build strong and intentional communication skills. Jess originally trained as an actress which helps her work practically and holistically with clients in terms of their impact. As an actress, she worked in theatre in the UK and around Europe. She co-founded cabaret ensemble The Ruby Dolls and together, they have written, performed and produced five full-length cabaret theatre shows in four-part harmony to sold-out audiences across London, as well as critically acclaimed runs at the Edinburgh Festival. 

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 4 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from 4 Worldworkers from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this episode, Katie is talking with Keiko Muramatsu about how she used ORSC tools in sports. Keiko is a co-representative and faculty member of CRR Global Japan and the founder of THRIVE. Thrive sees supporting people and teams as just the starting point and believes that their transformation impacts the world beyond themselves.  Prior to her coaching career, Keiko played lacrosse for Japan in the world cup and went on to be the General Manager of Japan’s women’s U-19 team. As part of her ORSC certification journey, Keiko began using ORSC tools to coach the young lacrosse players, and also the wider systems that they were involved in. 

In this collection of bonus episodes, we’re looking at the concept of Worldwork, which embraces the idea that we are continuously impacting the world, whether we are conscious of it or not. Whilst Worldwork can involve big acts of altruism and community spirit, it always starts with self. Across the course of these 4 bonus episodes, you will be hearing from 4 Worldworkers’from across the globe, who have all used ORSC tools in very different ways tools to serve their wider communities. 

In this episode Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into the 5th and final principle of RSI: Relationship Systems are in a constant state of emergence, always in the process of expressing their potential.

This principle is critical to the phenomenon referred to as the speed of change. It signifies modern society’s increasingly shorter planning horizons and the required flexibility to embrace and navigate change effectively. Successful organizations are nimble and flexible in the face of shifting tides.

Most people are averse to change because they are afraid of the unknown or of losing the status quo. Even the word “change” itself often creates resistance. With RSI, the premise is to accept change as constant, natural and inevitable and to co-create with and from it. Leaders need to move away from the traditional unfreeze-change-freeze paradigm and encourage teams to embrace change as a natural and continuous evolution necessary for survival.

In this episode, Floyd Carlson and Katie Churchman are discussing the power of small habits and fresh starts. Building on their previous discussion around myths and myth change they explore ways of refreshing or completely rewriting narratives in our everyday lives. How can we change the stories that will enable us to step into new ways of being, with each other and with ourselves.

We often wait for temporal markers- like a New Year or a birthday ending in a zero- to make big changes…but why can’t we start today? And what habits can we build into our lives to help us to keep us on track?   

Join Katie and Floyd as they discuss ways in which we can utilize the power of storytelling in everyday life in order to consciously create new ways of being, with our teams, our partners and perhaps most importantly with ourselves.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into the 4th principle of RSI: Relationship Systems Are Naturally Intelligent, Generative and Creative.

This principle allows us to view any change or disturbance as an ally while trusting the Team Entity’s resourcefulness to find its own answers. Conflict and chaos are seen as signals and messages by the Team Entity to co-create from- rather than react to- something new that is trying to happen. 

The more RSI a team has, the more collectively intelligent, generative and creative it can be, paving the way for increased performance. These Relationship System qualities remain present regardless of circumstances, even in disturbance and breakdown (like during a global pandemic). 

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with Maddie Weinreich about toxic behaviors. Building on John Gottman’s research into couples they explore how to become more aware and ultimately reduce the amount of ‘toxins’ that show up in your relationship. The 4 Relationship Toxins are Defensiveness, Contempt, Stonewalling and Blaming. When used frequently, these toxic communication patterns are so lethal to human relationships that Dr. Gottman coined the term the “The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse”.

In this podcast, we discuss: the characteristics of the 4 toxins; becoming more aware of your own toxic behaviors; building a positivity bank account; repair bids; and perpetual problems in relationship.

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with ORSC coach and Agile expert Terrance Turpin. Terrance has over 20 years of experience in Technology and Software Development and is also a CRR USA staff member. Terrance blends Team coaching – supporting teams in clarifying, aligning & co-creating as a diverse but single entity -and Agility coaching – establishing healthy states of flow across an organization by coaching for alignment in structure, processes, environments, and relationships. Terrance believes that the coaching process is one that generates understanding and alignment for the client, their environments, and those they interact with.  

In this episode, Terrance and Katie discuss some of the synergies between ORSC and Agile Coaching; how ORSC and agile are two sides of the same coin; and how a blend of ORSC and Agile can enable organizations to master continuous change.

In this episode, Floyd Carlson and Katie Churchman are discussing myths and myth change. The idea of a myth connects us with the archetypal roots of the relationship - which has great meaning and power. We are always developing who we are as a couple or a corporation, but often unconsciously. So by revealing this creative process to clients the coach we can make it much more conscious and intentional. 

Floyd is a Front of the Room Leader for CRR Global who focuses on leaders and teams and bringing the best out of individuals based on company and individual objectives. Floyd has more than 30 years of business and military experience which he combines with his coaching, training, and organizational development to help leaders achieve professional and personal goals in alignment with company needs.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon is deep-diving into principle 3: Relationship Systems Rely on Roles for their Organization and Execution of functions. Roles belong to the system, not to the individuals that inhabit the system

This principle requires the biggest mental shift in teaming and leadership focus as it asserts that every team member has the responsibility to hold a leadership role on behalf of the system. 

Every relationship system has its own functional and emotional needs that must be fulfilled through roles. Without assigned roles, the system can’t function. 

These roles belong to the relationship system, not necessarily to the individuals that inhabit them. How one person embodies a role can be very different from how another person embodies that same role. Personal history, psychology, work style, maturity, etc. all impact how skillfully each individual inhabits that role. 

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman deep-dive into the second of the 5 principles of Relationship Systems intelligence: Every member of the system is an information carrier and Voice of the System (VOS).  

You can think of a team or family as a puzzle where every member is a piece. To reveal the picture of the overall team experience, every piece is needed. Each member has critical information about the functioning of that team or family. The information may be transmitted through verbal and non-verbal signals, as well as through the behaviors and actions of the individuals within the team. 

As the Collective Intelligence research indicates, the more input acquired from others, the more informed a team will be in its decision-making. 

In this episode, Katie Churchman talks with Maddie Weinreich about vitality for couples. 

There are all kinds of ways we can be in relationship with our partners. Sometimes it can be very dull to be in a couple and can be very exciting! Relationships are in constant cycles. 

In this episode, Maddie talks about relationship behavioral patterns that can help to foster more aliveness, engagement and vitality.  After two decades of working with couples, Maddie’s noticed 5 recurring ‘elements’ in couples with high levels of vitality. These 5 elements are as follows:

1.     Autonomy 

2.     Interdependence

3.     Constructive Disagreement

4.     Intimacy

5.     Vision

When couples have all of these things going on there tends to be a good amount of engagement, aliveness and vitality. 

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon deep-dives into the first of the 5 principles of Relationship Systems Intelligence (or RSI): The Third Entity.

RSI involves the ability to move from seeing a group of individuals to seeing the system itself, as a living breathing entity and this is what we call Third Entity.

Relationship Systems Work holds that there is more present in a relationship than the individual team members. Along with the people involved, there is also the relationship or system itself. It is useful to consider the relationship as a separate “third entity” which has its own needs and voice. In Relationship Systems Work this Third Entity is the ultimate focus.

In this episode, Katie Churchman is talking with master coach Maddie Weinreich. As well as being the past director of faculty and leader development at CRR Global Maddie currently serves as a senior Front of the Room Leader for the ORSC Program and ORSC Certification

Maddie’s passion for personal development and human potential contributes to her success in the field of relationship coaching. For more than 25 years, Maddie’s own marriage has provided her with deep insights into the joys and challenges of a committed relationship. While raising her family in New England, Maddie has developed a great aptitude for helping others to discover the gifts that come from empowering relationships. These gifts serve to transform clients’ lives and help them move forward.

Maddie believes that all relationships have the potential for more growth and in this episode, Maddie discusses how to make your partner your ally.

In Part-1 of Ghosts, Faith Fuller is talking about Ghost roles. 

Ghost roles are invisible third-party presences that come and go and impact the emotional field. A ghost role is present when something is clearly affecting the relationship, yet isn’t talked about, and may not even be conscious to the people in the system. 

Ghosts arise from our experiences in previous relationships, both personal and professional. They may be people, or they may be events and they can both negatively and positively influence our lives.

In this episode, Faith talks about becoming aware of ghosts, working with ghosts and potentially turning them into allies.

In the first episode of season 2, Marita Fridjhon introduces the 5 principles of Relationship Systems Intelligence (RSI). RSI has five key principles which shape what we believe, how we engage, and the “place from which we come.” These principles underpin all of our relationships and are, therefore, fundamental to everything we do as coaches, leaders and human beings. Understanding and engaging in these principles can help us to better access and apply Relationship Systems Intelligence, with our clients, our teams, and with our families.

Principle #1 Each Relationship System has its own unique identity (referred to by Marita as the 3rd entity).

Principle #2 Every Member of a Relationship System Is a Voice of the System

Principle #3 Relationship Systems Are Naturally Intelligent, Generative and Creative

Principle #4 Relationship Systems Rely on Roles for their Organization and Execution of functions. Roles belong to the system, not to the individuals that inhabit the system

Principle #5 Relationship Systems Are In a Constant State of Emergence, always in the process of expressing their potential

In the Season 1 finale, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman are talking about meeting the system. How can we make sure we are meeting the people in front us, as they are in the present moment? When we’re coaching, it can be all too easy to presume we know who we’re talking to – particularly when it comes to longer-term coaching engagements. So each and every time we meet a system, how can we try to see it with brand new eyes? So that our preconceptions and past experiences don’t cloud our vision of what’s really there?

In this episode, Faith Fuller and Katie Churchman are discussing ways we can integrate Organizational Relationship Systems Coaching (otherwise known as ORSC) into our work and into our lives. If you already have an established coaching or consultancy practice, how might you benefit from ORSC? And how can you seamlessly blend ORSC into what you’re already doing?

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman talk about collective leadership. Many of us attribute the idea of ‘leadership’ to a particular person or a team of ‘leaders.' However, as Marita explains in this podcast, leadership can also be viewed as a role that belongs to the system. When we embrace this idea we start to see that inspired leadership can show up in the most unlikely places and from the most unlikely people. What would your team or family dynamic be like if there was more of a sense of shared responsibility around the idea of ‘leadership’? As opposed to belonging one person, can this be a role that we share?

In this episode, Faith Fuller is talking about setting a coaching agenda. 

Establishing a clear agenda at the start of a coaching session is incredibly important because it sets expectations and also influences the relationship between coach and client.  It’s a powerful tool that can set the tone for everything else to follow. But it can also be the coaching session in of itself. As Faith explains- the agenda doesn’t have to be something we rush to ‘get done’ at the beginning of the session.

When a client doesn’t know what they want or brings a really broad or vague ‘goal’ to a session how can we help them to get more clarity around their wants and needs?

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon and Katie Churchman are talking about reading and working with the emotional field, which is a key element of systems coaching. By closely tracking shifts in the emotional field we can start to reflect back and possibly shape the emotional climate in a given situation.

You can think of it like an immediate weather report of what is happening emotionally in this moment. And just like a weather report, it’s not exact. There might be a 69% chance of rain, just in the same way you sense some awkwardness in the field. It’s subjective, ever-changing and can provide us with a lot of information. 

Alongside the emotional field, they discuss Metaskills, conscious intentionality, self-awareness and the intelligence of the body.

In this episode, Faith Fuller is talking about what makes systems coaching different. What are the crossovers between pure coaching and consultancy and what is unique about systems coaching? What do we do? Why do we do it? And how does it help our clients?

Over the course of this conversation we discuss the following topics:

• The differences between therapy and coaching
• The differences between pure coaching and systems coaching
• Blending consultancy and coaching
• Giving our clients the tools to change their lives.

RSI-White-Paper: An Introduction to Relationship Systems Intelligence

In this episode, Marita Frijdhon is talking about system inspired leadership and why it is needed now more than ever.  As we say in systems coaching, ‘the whole is greater than the sum of its parts’ and by utilizing this intelligence, teams of all shapes and sizes may find that they not only survive- but thrive- through challenging times. Instead of focusing on the individual mountain that we have to climb, let’s connect with the team around us, and consider what we can do together- today- to create positive change. 

Key takeaways from the episode: 

• A systems inspired leader recognizes that they don’t always have to be in charge. Instead, they utilize the strengths within their team.
• Systems inspired leaderships is about stepping back and seeing the bigger picture. A shift from micro-management to macro-analysis.
• They are ‘we’ focused as opposed to ‘me’ focused
• Stepping into a systems perspective will not only help your team to work more effectively it will also take the pressure off you as a leader.
• Great leadership isn’t about having all the answers: it’s asking great questions. 

In this episode, Faith Fuller is exploring Transparency. Practicing real, authentic transparency can be a very powerful tool- as a coach, a leader and as a human being. Transparency can help to build trust, deepen connections and humanize conversations.

This episode covers the importance of transparency when coaching systems you are a part of; being clear and upfront about hidden agendas; using transparency in emails and texts to offer clarity and also, using it as a tool for flagging intentions.

In this episode, Marita Fridjhon is talking about life-giving and life-draining behaviours. What gives you life and what drains you? And which do you bring more of to your family, colleagues and community? 

Over the course of the episode, Marita discusses becoming conscious of life-giving and life-draining qualities, the stages of grief and also takes a look at how the two qualities are more intertwined than we might realise. Can life-giving qualities exist within life-draining experiences, like grief?

In this episode of the Relationship Matters podcast, Faith Fuller is talking about the aftermath of an argument. Arguments are a normal part of relationship. So perhaps we should be less concerned about the amount we argue and more focused on how we argue. 

And if we do blow up in relationship and we have a particularly unskillful argument, how can we more consciously recover from the blow and start to repair any damage that we might have created within the relationship?  In this episode, we talk about the unwritten rules around our relationships that govern how we behave with our partners, children and colleagues. At CRR Global we refer to these social contracts as designed team alliances (which we refer to in this episode as a DTA). We also talk about how we can use fights as opportunities to learn and grow- both on an individual and an interpersonal level. 

Right now, many of our roles have blended together. We might be playing parent, teacher and manager all at the same time because of the lock-down measures brought in by COVID-19.

Often people become identified with the job they are doing, which is what we refer to in this podcast as an “outer role” – like being CEO or cook. Or they identify with an emotional job for which they feel responsible – what we call an “inner role” like being the peacemaker, or the one who speaks up about things. 

So join Marita as she talks about the different types of roles and what we might learn from the overlapping of the many roles in our lives. How might we better navigate this juggling of responsibilities, jobs and parts of self? Now and also beyond a time of COVID-19…

What does it mean to be in Right Relationship? In episode 1, Faith Fuller is exploring the many ways we can step into Right Relationship, with our partners, families, colleagues and also with ourselves. What does it mean to be in Right Relationship? And how can we become more conscious and intentional in relationships- particularly during challenging and uncertain times?